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SNP Finance Minister John Swinney was ridiculed yesterday after a car crash radio interview in which he was asked THIRTEEN times what the start up costs would be for an independent Scotland but failed to give an answer.

GR: And the Nike Lunarlon Mens Red final bill would be?

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JS: We would work to establish an approach to the design and the delivery of the services of an independent country based on the use of the assets and the resources that we have under our control just now, and the assets to which we are entitled to a share within the United Kingdom, now just as a

John Swinney ridiculed after refusing THIRTEEN times to reveal start

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JS: I'm sorry, Gary, that's just not the case. The Treasury were citing Prof Dunleavy's research in the material they sent out to journalists in Scotland on Friday and it's in a Treasury press release I have in front of me. What I think we can deduce from this is that the UK Government have been caught fiddling the books as they have tried to undermine confidence in Scotland.

GR : So what would the cost be?

we're doing just now in Revenue Scotland, for example, where we're setting up a new organisation to collect a range of taxes that are being devolved to Scotland, and we're doing that for 25 per cent lower than the costs that we can already pay to HMRC to undertake that work. So I think what that demonstrates is the fact that in an independent Scotland we would be able to build on the infrastructure we've got just now and to undertake that set up work in a much more efficient fashion than is the case within the United Kingdom.

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Swinney swithered over the cost of setting up all the government departments and services an independent Scotland would need but could not put a figure on the bill even at the 13th time of asking.

JS: Well that would clearly be worked out as a consequence of all the issues that I've set out to you just now.

And Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander, referring to a leaked report from Swinney which said it Nike Lunartempo 2 Lb

John Swinney: What we've got to consider in establishing an independent Scotland is the fact that we have a great deal of the infrastructure of an independent country as we stand just now.

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GR: Here's your chance to completely disprove that. Give us the figure for the set up of an independent Scotland.

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GR: But you have accused the Treasury of getting their figures wrong, of misleading people. Tell us what the true figures are then.

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GR: So therefore the figure is?

that John Swinney sent to his Cabinet colleagues last

JS: We also have to bear in mind, Gary, the proportion of the 1.3trillion of assets to which an independent Scotland would have access as a consequence of the negotiation with the rest of the United Kingdom to establish an independent country.

Labour's Jackie Baillie said Swinney had his own "Michael Howard moment" a reference to Jeremy Paxman's interview with the then home secretary when he asked the same question 12 times but never got a straight answer.

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JS: I think that the point on the Treasury misleading people is made very clearly, not just by the Scottish Government but by Professor Patrick Dunleavy of the London School of Economics, who was making it quite clear last night that the Treasury badly misrepresented the research of the London School of Economics. I think.

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GR: And that would reach a total figure of?

Here are extracts from the excruciating interview on the BBC's Good Morning Scotland.

GR: But with respect, Mr Swinney, surely you cannot say that they are misleading people when you cannot put a figure on this yourself?

JS: Well I'm sorry, no.

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